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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old 27th January 2020, 10:59 PM Thread Starter
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Terry Hay’s Shock Treatment

I have a question if you get your front fork shocks and seals upgraded and installed supposedly by the best using the best parts how long would you expect those front seals to last???

BTW I put 10,000klms on my bike a year, I am 65 years old so no wheelies, no burnouts, I like corners but am pretty conservative at the best of times.

Bike- 2005 SV1000 naked kept in awesome condition

So how long would you expect your front seals to last before they start leaking?
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Thats a little bit of a "how long is a bit of string" question.....

I have had seals leak after 10k klm's......and others, including my current set are 50k old....

Its all down to climate....as in, what sort of crap gets thrown at them fork legs, resulting in minor chips and scratches, and how clean are they kept.......

But, really, it is probably best practice to change them out every 50k at worst.....

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Thats a little bit of a "how long is a bit of string" question.....

I have had seals leak after 10k klm's......and others, including my current set are 50k old....

Its all down to climate....as in, what sort of crap gets thrown at them fork legs, resulting in minor chips and scratches, and how clean are they kept.......

But, really, it is probably best practice to change them out every 50k at worst.....
You know... I thought about your “how long is a piece of string” comment and I thought it’s not about the length of the string in this case but the quality of it. If you are going mountain climbing you wouldn’t go to Bunnings and buy garden twine you would buy high grade Everest style rope and in the case of my bike no expense was spared.

When you go to supposedly the best person, get the best equipment put in your bike and then pay premium prices you are expected no entitled to get maximum usage. If you have the brakes fully worked and then you crash because they failed to stop your bike would you shrug your shoulders and say oh well? Maybe not.

Anyway tomorrow I am having new seals and oil put in the front forks.

BTW my forks are spotless, and the bike had done 20,000kllms and not hard riding, the bike is always covered in my garage and it has seen minimal rainy days.

I pulled into a petrol station a while back and a guy came over and said “wow, I didn’t know they still made these bikes I said they don’t this is the 2005 version”, that’s how much I look after my bike.
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If the fork seals are leaking, and with consideration to the fact that the bike is 14 years old, the very real possibility that the seals have hardened from age is there.....

Terry Hay knows his stuff, so if thats where the work is being done then all should be well.....

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The seals are not 14 years old, Terry Hays replaced the seals, dust covers and put in new springs, he also did work on the back shock at the same time. When I questioned Jan on the phone she flippantly replied there are no guarantees on forks they can last a week or a few years. Now that's what I call professional.

Cost was between $1200 & $1500 the previous owner couldn't look up the actual cost as he was in Melbourne waiting for a plane and the receipt was at home.
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Ahhhh..... i didn't pick up on what you were getting at......Have not had work done by them myself, but have spoken to them before and had no issues.....

Though, being in the bike industry, forks are a bit of a grey area in regards to warranties on seals.
Fork bushes are a different matter, as they are a "protected species" being inside the fork.
The seals on the other hand can be damaged by some transient detritus that you cant find after the fact.

I had a set of new seals (2k klms) die heading down the back of Mount Glorious up here......and they were installed by a race industry professional..... next set saw out the life of the legs until i swapped to a Gixxer front end (70k klms) ...

Sydney is a bit thin for suspension specialist shops unfortunately...... Melbourne and Brisbane have a lot more to offer.

Do you have the gear and handyman skills to change them out yourself ?

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Ahhhh..... i didn't pick up on what you were getting at......Have not had work done by them myself, but have spoken to them before and had no issues.....

Though, being in the bike industry, forks are a bit of a grey area in regards to warranties on seals.
Fork bushes are a different matter, as they are a "protected species" being inside the fork.
The seals on the other hand can be damaged by some transient detritus that you cant find after the fact.

I had a set of new seals (2k klms) die heading down the back of Mount Glorious up here......and they were installed by a race industry professional..... next set saw out the life of the legs until i swapped to a Gixxer front end (70k klms) ...

Sydney is a bit thin for suspension specialist shops unfortunately...... Melbourne and Brisbane have a lot more to offer.

Do you have the gear and handyman skills to change them out yourself ?
I could do it but I'd decided to get it done professionally (sarcasm not intended) I was going to make a day of it ride up and get the Hays mob to do it but after the attitude of Jan I decided I'd just get the local plebs to do it, I want to get the correct setting on the forks and have the sag looked at at the same time and at that I am not that good.

I'm booked in for tomorrow morning at a shop called Percy Jacks, they're a bit pricey but everyone one is down here at least I can watch them work on my bike and see how they go.
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Good guys there..... i think Cody is the man i have spoken to there....

I would assume that of the springs were replaced at Terry Hay's they will be RaceTech...
What weight they are is a different matter, if the receipt was available, it might say.
Hopefully, the spring still has the product number on the side of the top coil.

Going form the dual rate/progressive oem spring to the RaceTechs, the oil height has to be
increased (air gap decreased)
My 03 was 162mm oem air gap, but from memory the RaceTech were 130mm suggested, i
ended up at 127mm and they were nice there.
Also, oem oil weight is 2.5, and i bumped to 5w and it was much better, the 2.5w was too plush...

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Good guys there..... i think Cody is the man i have spoken to there....

I would assume that of the springs were replaced at Terry Hay's they will be RaceTech...
What weight they are is a different matter, if the receipt was available, it might say.
Hopefully, the spring still has the product number on the side of the top coil.

Going form the dual rate/progressive oem spring to the RaceTechs, the oil height has to be
increased (air gap decreased)
My 03 was 162mm oem air gap, but from memory the RaceTech were 130mm suggested, i
ended up at 127mm and they were nice there.
Also, oem oil weight is 2.5, and i bumped to 5w and it was much better, the 2.5w was too plush...
Got the seals done, the forks are a bit firmer than before but handles well, I think there was a little too much play in them before. Still waiting on the receipt from PJs so I can get a breakdown on what they put in. Yes the previous shocks were Racetech, not sure of the specs yet.
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Wait till they settle, the next couple of rides will tell..... Then maybe have a play with the rebound and comp damping....

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Wait till they settle, the next couple of rides will tell..... Then maybe have a play with the rebound and comp damping....
That is the plan
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That is the plan
Done 200k and the shocks are still rock solid with very little play, this set up is probably great for track work but when it comes to Sydney roads it is a nightmare, every tiny bump in the road sends shudders through the bike which makes the ride super unpleasent.
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Put the forks back to factory and them firmed them up just a fraction and she handles fine.
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ha ha... excellent......

When you get the paper work, see if it says what fork oil they put in.....
Std is 2.5......5 is better.....i tried 7.5 once, and apart from being like a razor in bends
it wanted to break my wrists....went back to 5.....

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Just a quick note here but after riding with the new seals and the adjusted settings of the forks this new stiffness has made me more aware of the laziness which had crept into my riding style, the firmness of the forks made the poor road conditions very obvious and the increased level of vibrations which I now feel only pointed out that I had been leaning on my handlebars way too much.

Now... more knee and heel grip and a little more relaxation around the elbows is the go to cut down the vibrations and a new attitude of “I am not part of the bike but am steering a high powered vehicle” gives me a different focus and a new sense of enjoyment or is that terror???

So to all I say... has your riding style gotten lazy?
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