GSXR1000 Rear Wheel Kit for all SV1000 and SV1000S

Longhair said:

I'm only disputing a few certain unsubstantiated claims. The only evidense has been comparisons to 650 wheels, and a couple of pictures. For someone that claims to have done his homework, he really hasn't presented any.

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The only claims I see are better performance, better looks, and correct fitment.

Looks: That's all subjective isn't it, but IMO big tires look nice.


Performance: Kind of hard to judge this, but I can offer my experience. 2 weeks ago I was riding Infinion with a stock rear rim and 180/55 Pilot Power 2ct tire. It was...fine, nothing wrong, had a blast. Yesterday I was at Infinion, with my blingy GSXR rear rim, new 530 chain, and sexy 190/55 Power Race tire. I shredded it all over the track as the picture posted above will attest. I loved it, it held all around the track and it was a cold day. I know it's not a one too one comparison, race tires are always better on the track.

So what is there too say: I've chewed through 4 sets of tires on an SV1K. Metzler M5, Bridgestone 016, Michelin Pilot Power, Power 2ct.
The new set is Michelin Power One in front, Power Race in back. It feels different, planted is a good word, or, for our UK friends; simply brilliant. Want me to compare the feel to some other bike I've ridden, ok. Like a slightly heavier Ducati Streetfighter with lower bars. All is my opinion, to be taken with a grain of salt, but my ass likes the new size, and I won't be changing back any time soon.


Fitment:

Here is a pic to show the chain alignment, dead on if you ask me. Sorry about the pic quality, in person no left or right deviation can be seen

The GSXR brake rotor lines up perfectly for the stock caliper also.




Were there any other claims? More proof of it's trackday viability maybe; here ya go:

Longhair said:

I just want to say, that I'm not telling anyone not to buy it. If you want it, go for it. Here in the USA you're still free to spend whatever of your money that the government doesn't want, on whatever you wish.

I'm only disputing a few certain unsubstantiated claims. The only evidense has been comparisons to 650 wheels, and a couple of pictures. For someone that claims to have done his homework, he really hasn't presented any.

Now I will say, that under the right circumstances I might buy his kit.....but his kit would only be a drop in the bucket on that whole upgrade.....and I would do my own homework.

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Considering the fact that I do not have an SV1000... I think I did pretty good!!!

This is my 5th Wider Rear Wheel Kit produced... Nothing spectacular done here... I am just an average rider with an open mind... Good measuring skills, and attention to detail...

Most of the work has been word of mouth by the Michelin, Pirelli and Dunlop local race tire representatives... Also credit is due to my local suspension tuner, Sportbike Solutions... And, my local Frame measure, straighting and geometry tuning tech, Fast Track... What kind of homework where you expecting?

When a mint condition 07 GSXR1000 rear wheel with tire fell on my lap... I decided to look into the possibility of making a kit for the big brother SV1000 fellow riders...

It took me longer to find an SV1000 rider willing to let me take measurements of his bike, and also be willing to test my GSXR1000 rear wheel kit, my GSXR1000 rear wheel and my tire...

With some machine work, I guarantee a wheel that is perfectly centered... Perfect chain alignment... And, as good as stock brake alignment...

I must admit that I did not expected this level of set on their ways, OEM is the best ever, type of SV1000 Riders... (w00t) But if life gives you lemons, make lemonade!!!

Luis

sv650r said:

What kind of homework where you expecting?

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How about some real homework. Numbers. Something that's worth more than someone's butt impression.

What's the difference in weight between say a stock SV1K wheel, a stock Busa wheel, and a new GSXR wheel?
How much actual difference in weight is there between a 180 tire carcass and a 200?
How much bigger is the contact patch? (either actual square area or percentage)
How about some actual controlled feild tests, like a swap between setups that show seconds shaved off lap times, or something that would indicate that the added contact makes a positive difference?

sv650r said:

I must admit that I did not expected this level of set on their ways, OEM is the best ever, type of SV1000 Riders...Luis

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You have no idea whom all you're insulting with this comment.

Unlike the 650 riders, the 1K crowd has tended to be made up of older riders, and many of us have done more "non-stock" performance mods to more bikes over the years than your young mind can imagine at it's current stage of development. WE have been the innovators that have given you youngsters the machines that you now enjoy. It was OUR experiences, creative thinking, money, and blood that have collaborated with and driven the manufaturing market to the point that it's at.

I've been modding bikes for longer than you've been sucking air, so if you're going to tell me that something is better, you'd be well advised to have some real data to back it up....at least some basic weights and measurements. Until then, it's all just bling, and fine for those whom it attracts.

Now you can go through my post, and cherry pick statements to further ridicule if you wish, but until you can provide quantfiable evidence, I won't be a follower.
Show me proof, and I'll be a convert/advocate.

Longhair said:

How about some real homework. Numbers. Something that's worth more than someone's butt impression.

sv650r said:

What kind of homework where you expecting?

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What's the difference in weight between say a stock SV1K wheel, a stock Busa wheel, and a new GSXR wheel?
How much actual difference in weight is there between a 180 tire carcass and a 200?
How much bigger is the contact patch? (either actual square area or percentage)
How about some actual controlled feild tests, like a swap between setups that show seconds shaved off lap times, or something that would indicate that the added contact makes a positive difference?

sv650r said:

I must admit that I did not expected this level of set on their ways, OEM is the best ever, type of SV1000 Riders... (w00t)

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You have no idea whom all you're insulting with this comment.

Unlike the 650 riders, the 1K crowd has tended to be made up of older riders, and many of us have done more "non-stock" performance mods to more bikes over the years than your young mind can imagine at it's current stage of development. WE have been the innovators that have given you youngsters the machines that you now enjoy. It was OUR experiences, creative thinking, money, and blood that have collaborated with and driven the manufaturing market to the point that it's at.

I've been modding bikes for longer than you've been sucking air, so if you're going to tell me that something is better, you'd be well advised to have some real data to back it up....at least some basic weights and measurements. Until then, it's all just bling, and fine for those whom it attracts.

Now you can go through my post, and cherry pick statements to further ridicule if you wish, but until you can provide quantfiable evidence, I won't be a follower.
Show me proof, and I'll be a convert/advocate.

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Wheel weights, I owe you that... The GSXR1000 already had a new tire mounted on it, and I was not about to demount it to have a weight...
I figure I get a SV1000 rear wheel weight when one becomes available to me... A 190/55R17 Super Sport Rear Tire weights about 12 oz more (MICHELIN) to 1 lbs - 2 oz more (DUNLOP) than a 180/55R17 Super Sport Rear Tire...

How much bigger is the contact patch? .........Well unfortunately, Not Dunlop, Michelin or Pirelli can answer that question... Contact patch depends on tire carcass stiffness, air pressure, temperature, weight load... And that is only for static purposes... which mean squat when the bike is in motion... Simple mathematic calculations of 1/4 inch increase in radius, would suggest 25-30% larger contact patch for equal Brand and Model tires, of different sizes...

The quick answer is, enough to warrant racers to up size their rear tires... Tire technology has come a long way... MOTO GP tire technology of 3-5 years ago, is being used for street tires (With street compounds) today...

Controlled field test, why bother? Asking the tire vendors what the fast guys are riding on is enough proof for me!!! ........Now, if YOU are willing to donate a race ready SV1000 for the cause... I may be willing to cover tires and track day costs...

If you want an affordable upgrade that WORKS!!! :bigclap: Don't be expecting NASA to build it for you!!!

Longhair said:

You have no idea whom all you're insulting with this comment.

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Who? Suzuki Engineers? Or Suzuki Corporate Profits Managers? ...........I bet you if it was up to the Suzuki Engineers they would built some Sweet Bikes!!!

The fun thing about the SV650, is starting with a handicap bike and building it to the point of schooling those I-4 Super Sport Riders that think they are better riders because they bought a better bike!!! ....I know a lot of the SV650 Guys who seek performance do upgrade to I-4!!! .......I guess I figure that those SV1000 riders that came from an SV650 background would be on board with something cheap, that works good, and makes a positive upgrade to their SV1000...

I kind of figure you were an older fella... NOT that there is anything wrong with being old fella... Is the grumpy old guys who can't see past their nose that I have a problem with... You know those that resist learning a new trick kind of old farts...

I alway thought that it was the younger guys the ones with the "Think Outside The Box" creativity that drove change... It never occurred to me that it was an old guy who was always conservative and afraid of change... The one pushing the technology on the motorcycles we ride today... I sear, I always imagine it was the younger guys pushing the limits in Moto GP and WSBK...

( (w00t) LONGHAIR is taking this kind of personal!!!)

Regards, Luis


PS: Hey Mr. Wise Guy, I am just having fun... It's all good!!!

sv650r said:

( (w00t) Luis is taking this kind of personal!!!)

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Fixed it for 'ya. :cool2:

I couldn't agree more about the 650. Anything that you do to 'em is an improvement. Bolt enough parts from other bikes on 'em, and tweak the mill a bit, and it can turn a novice into a meanace.

However comparing a 1K to a 650 is like comparing an apple to a potato. The suspensions are the weakest link on a 1K, but at least it has cartridge forks and damping adjustments....unlike it's technologiclly prehistoric little lookalike. :killingme
GSXR forks are a hell of a lot bigger improvement jump on a 650 than they are on a 1K.

Back on topic.

Luis, I've not bashed your work. And I've not told anyone to not buy it. I've only been trying to get you to show more than blingy pics, 650 comparo's, and "so-and-so says", so that there is a performance justifiable reason to do so.
Hell, if the government would quit fucking up the economy for a minute, I'd have that race ready 1k, and take you up on the test offer (it's just not finished, and I can't afford to at the moment).


And before you 650 riders showed up, us old folk were modding our bikes quite well, thank you! :bleh:

Hey Voyko,

As I stated via email, the package is in international transit and there is no way to track it down...

This is the tracking number.... LJ63 0372 143U S ......Search at USPS.com

I spoke with the local Post Master...

What she said, is that they have reduced the number of employees and they have close several Mail Distribution Centers and it has slowed down their service...

She also mention that they will not even look for it until after 30 days since the package last moved... For our package, the date is November 16 when the package reach Phoenix AZ.

Another thing is that since it is an international package... It is possible that once it reach to Phoenix, AZ which is the State Distribution Center, it parted for International Shipping... It may be on its way, but there is no way to track it.

I am really sorry about this, Right now it is out of my hands...

If by December 16 you have not received the package, please let me know... I am hopping that by then you will have it on your hands, and better yet, installed on your bike...

Luis