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Using the PAIR valves as a crankcase evacuation system

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Lots of questions came up after a post I made about plumbing the PAIR valves into the crankscase vent to evacuate and create a vacuum internal to the engine.

Why do some thing like this? Well, on a 90 degree V twin as the crank spins, the internal volume of the engine changes significantly. The engine is also pumping air under the pistons back and forth to each other, and in and out of the engine. There are also basic aerodynamic principal at work too. The crank and rods and tranny are all spinning around in the engine pushing air around with it. This is drag added to the engine which takes power.

Conventional crank I4s do not change crank case volume during an engine revolution, but they still pump the air from under the piston back and forth and cause internal losses. We used to actually make cut outs between cylinders when we using ZX11 engines long ago for the F1 sidecars. It made a difference. This is why also many manufactures are cutting out the cylinder sleeves between adjacent cylinder, they want to get rid of internal pumping losses. I included a picture of a set of OEM GENII Hayabusa cylinders to show what I am talking about.

Next thing to talk about is the PAIR valves. How do they work? Well simply put, Bernoulli's priciple of high velocity air creates a low pressure region. The PAIR valves do exactly this. As the high speed exhaust gas goes by the hole in the exhaust port it creates low pressure that gets channeled through the reed valves in the head and up to PAIR valve control solenoid. When the solenoid opens, it draws cool air form the air box and mixes it with the out going exhaust to burn unspent hydro carbons on the way out of the exhaust.

So why not use the vac created by the PAIR ports to pump out the crank cases to take advantage of the benefits described above. Here is how I have been doing it on the SV1000. Quick and easy. Pull the air box out and pull the PAIR control solenoid out, but leave the hoses that go to the front and rear cylinders. Bridge the electrical on the harness side of the bike that was plugged into the solenoid with a 1Kohm 1/2 watt resistor. I take the old plug, and use a couple of connector s and such and make a nice little plug unit to keep the FI light from coming on. Now scrounge up a T fitting such as the one shown in the image below. Now connect the upper part of the crank case vent hose you disconnected to remove the air box, to the T fitting. Now just plug in the front and rear PAIR hoses into the T. Remember to plug the port in the airbox when it goes back together. The bike will now pump on the crankcases as soon as the bike starts. As the exhaust gas speed goes up, the lower pressure seen in the crankcases.

I would pull out the reed valves under the plastic PAIR caps bolted to the valve covers, and clean them very well and make sure they are sealing well. A poorly sealing valve will not allow the bike to hold best possible vacuum.

I have set up many SV1000 and a whole bunch others. In my experience with the SV1000 oil consumption will not be an issue because the vents are well baffled, and if it were pumping oil through the vent, it would have originally been pushing it into the air box to get consumed anyway.

I do not have any direct dyno data for the SV1000, but I can assure you it will help. Lots of info out there on SV650s, Ducatis and tons of other race engines and vehicles. All of our race bikes I set up have been pumping on the crankcases for many years.

I did collect some data a couple of times to see what the pressure level was actually getting to in the crank cases, but I am not sure if I can find it any more.

You also have to remember to pull the oil fill cap before draining out our oil, or it just wont drain, because the cases are not vented due to the reeds being closed.

-MS

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They suck harder for sure.....



Might look into it....maybe putting a stainless gauze filter into the vertical hose from the crankcase would reduce a lot of the oil mist making its way to the reeds ?

Its not about flow is it, as you said, once everything balances out, it is just a negative pressure that is required.....



Your thoughts oh schmidt314 ?


Oil mist is not bad due to the crankcase vent baffle in the clutch case cover. Plus, as you mention, you should not really flow too much unless your reeds are not sealing or you you have lots combustion blow by.

-ms
You just need to keep checking and cleaning the reeds.

-ms
Thought as much, cheers for your help once again schmidt314!
I saw at the start of this thread, that a 1k ohm 25w resistor is used ?

Now, i get a pea soup like fog appear in my head when this crap is mentioned...ha ha... so, is a colour code thing the best way to ID the right resistor ?

To me, 1K means 1000....

Please, someone hold my hand and reassure me....
I saw at the start of this thread, that a 1k ohm 25w resistor is used ?



Now, i get a pea soup like fog appear in my head when this crap is mentioned...ha ha... so, is a colour code thing the best way to ID the right resistor ?



To me, 1K means 1000....



Please, someone hold my hand and reassure me....


I typically use a 1kΩ 0.5W resistor. (1000Ω).
The color code is the only way to identify the resistor if you do not want to directly measure.

-ms
I typically use a 1kΩ 0.5W resistor. (1000Ω).
The color code is the only way to identify the resistor if you do not want to directly measure.

-ms
And the color code is beige body with gold, red, black and brown bands ?
And the color code is beige body with gold, red, black and brown bands ?

In the most basic coding of traitors

1kΩ should be

Brown = 1
Black = 0
Red = 2

So this means 10 x 10^2 = 1000

Silver or gold band will be the part tolerance.
Silver is 10%
Gold is 5%

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Hi peeps I’ve just done this mod and now seems to be to much pressure to the point it’s pushing it out the gasket near the sprocket what could be happening 🏼
Hi peeps I’ve just done this mod and now seems to be to much pressure to the point it’s pushing it out the gasket near the sprocket what could be happening


Are your reed valves clean and sealing?
Are you plumbed in correctly?

-ms
Hi peeps I’ve just done this mod and now seems to be to much pressure to the point it’s pushing it out the gasket near the sprocket what could be happening 🏼
I assume that because of the name of the thread, you are using the PAIR valves solenoid, and not just the 3 hoses joined together via a 'T'....

I know this might sound a bit silly, but, have you got the PAIR valve solenoid on arse-about-face ? It is triggered by firing order i am presuming and it
is wigging when it should be wagging.....

Besides that, what schmidt314 said.......

You have left the reed valves in place ?

Now, assuming you have removed the solenoid and have joined the hoses...... you have used a reasonable sized T connector to join the front and rear vent hoses to the crankcase vent hose ?
I have removed the Reed valves and cleaned them also removed the solenoid and soldiered a resistor took one hose from top off rocker cover from where Reed valves are put t peace in so it joined the two Reed valve hoses then fitted crank case vent on the bottom part of the tee and blank all holes from air box
I have removed the Reed valves and cleaned them also removed the solenoid and soldiered a resistor took one hose from top off rocker cover from where Reed valves are put t peace in so it joined the two Reed valve hoses then fitted crank case vent on the bottom part of the tee and blank all holes from air box

That all sounds right..... But, i do have to ask....you did put the reed valves back into the housings ?
Or, and i base this on a memeory that is probably failing me, are they in upside down and trapped in an "open" position ?
Either way would cause exhaust pressure to be divertted to the crankcase, instead of a vacuum being provided...

Just spit-balling....
During xmas hollidays I was checking valves on my GF's SV650s and was debating with myself if i should get rid of the PAIR with a resistor and blanking plates. Stumbled upon this thread soon after and still are about to check valves on my SV1000 before i take it out in the spring.

I guess same princeples applies for both the 1000 and 650?
Do you access reed valve by removing the plasting housing or from beneth the valve cover?
Anyone know how offent the reed valves should be cleaned, just at regular service intervals?

Might go ahead and do this on the 1000 now and next winter on the 650.
During xmas hollidays I was checking valves on my GF's SV650s and was debating with myself if i should get rid of the PAIR with a resistor and blanking plates. Stumbled upon this thread soon after and still are about to check valves on my SV1000 before i take it out in the spring.



I guess same princeples applies for both the 1000 and 650?

Do you access reed valve by removing the plasting housing or from beneth the valve cover?

Anyone know how offent the reed valves should be cleaned, just at regular service intervals?



Might go ahead and do this on the 1000 now and next winter on the 650.


All of our SV650 race bikes are set up to evac the crank cases.
-ms
............................Do you access reed valve by removing the plasting housing or from beneth the valve cover?
Anyone know how offent the reed valves should be cleaned, just at regular service intervals?...........................
The reed valve is under the plastic housing.....you dont need to remove the valve covers...
Thanks both of you.
Now i just need to find a nylon hose tee - a little bit og Google should do it.
Seriously thinking of doing this to my new to me 05. Anyone know how often you need to clean the valves. Seems almost to simple. And cheap. But after reading the whole post it makes sense.
Seriously thinking of doing this to my new to me 05. Anyone know how often you need to clean the valves. Seems almost to simple. And cheap. But after reading the whole post it makes sense.

Probably every 4th service at most...... and they are super simple to do.....
Old thread this forum just keeps on giving. Took the SV to the track the other day any power will help 👍👍 Going to get a track bike again and keep the SV as a street bike. R6 throttle tube on the way as well.
Old thread this forum just keeps on giving. Took the SV to the track the other day any power will help 👍👍 Going to get a track bike again and keep the SV as a street bike. R6 throttle tube on the way as well.
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Yep just called Wanneroo now, up for the state champs Sunday then have a track day on the 7th. Looking for a track bike.
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