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Setting cam lobe centers without adjustable gear sets

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#1 ·
I have been using a technique for several years now to reset the camshaft lobe centers on SV1000, TL1000, and DL1000 without using the expensive adjustable gear sets for low budget engine builds. It has taken me for ever to finally get a complete write up finished, but I think I have a pretty solid first draft that describes the technique and how to apply it to an SV1000.

I have attached the write up, but I am not able to attach the Excel sheet that does all the calculations for you. If you are interested in having a copy of the Excel sheet, please PM me your email address and I will send a copy.

Please note this my first complete draft, so if you see any issues with it please let me know and I can make edits to it if needed.

This is a simple method of unlocking more power in your motor.

Cheers
-MS
 

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#5 ·
Actually this might be true. I was quite surprised when I was searching around that the TL guys from my knowledge had not talked about this. Maybe they have, but I never have seen anything about. This should also work with the new DL1000 I would think too...

If there are member here who are members of the other related forums out there, feel free to post this link as a reference.

Cheers
-MS
 
#6 ·
Michael - Just read through your PDF and the spreadsheet you kindly emailed through - great information with a walk-through on how to do it,
thank you for spending the time putting it all together and sharing it.
What sort of gains do you normally achieve by dialing the cams in this way ?
I was going to go down the vernier gear route (as this is what I use to dial the Scooby engines in that I build) but being a road based bike,dont really want to loose the scissor gears and increased valvetrain noise.

Mick
 
#7 ·
To be honest I do not think I have ever just done this one thing to a motor w/o adding compression or other modifications. Knowing the stock lobe centers though, changing some of the bikes lobe centers by 5-8 degrees on each cam does have significant effects on the how the engine should run in stock form. It is my opinion the stock cam timing is a compromise between power, delivery and emissions. Running the intake cam to the 103-107 and the exhaust to the 105-109 range should give the bike more punch everywhere in the range. If I use adjustable cam gears, I typically target 105-106 on the intake and 107-108 on the exhaust with stock cams. I like broad power with big punch in the midrange when I build these motors. I do know that with added compression and stock cams retimed the bike picks up significant power everywhere in the rev range and comes on really strong in the mid and revs all the way to redline with authority.

-MS
 
#11 ·
An excellent write up. Mr Schmidt you are indeed a top man! I am considering this mod and would welcome your thoughts on the following:

1) Effectively the retiming involves a 26.226 crank degree advance of the idler pulley (one tooth on camchain side) compensated for by a 17.561 retard of the installed cams. The result being a 5.665 crank degree advance for both inlet and exhaust cams producing timing figs. of approx (+or- 1 degree) IN opens 13 deg BTDC, IN closes 45 deg ABDC, EX opens 47 deg BBDC, EX closes 9 deg ATDC. I calculated LC's of 106 inlet and 109 exhaust from this. Not identical to you but certainly in the ball park. My first question is have I got this right?

2) Would you recommend measuring std timing before beginning and then do the calculations, etc or is it safe to assume that differing tolerances will not be so great as to have to worry and just go for it? My greatest fear would obviously be Inlet valve/piston contact. But then you say it works with added compression so maybe it would be nicely safe with my standard K4 crowns. Unless of course you're talking HC pistons with deeper cut outs. Hmmm.

3) If the heads have got to come off to measure piston/valve clearance would you recommend a mild skim to raise compression? Or the barrels? It's very much a road bike so I'd be looking for 12:1 max.

4) If you see my first post (this is 3 of 3) you'll see my bike came without much of a top end at all. Both owners had literally kept it wrapped in blankets in dry sheds and cosmetically it is excellent but I think most of the maintenance stopped when it was out of warranty (@13k, now 26k). The chain alone made me cry and as for the airfilter..talk of a minger! Hopefully a K and N, removal of STV butterflies, desnorkelling and a throttle valve balance will restore at least some top end. Can you reassure me that the cam advance won't take some of it away? Oh and finally (topic drift I know) I'll test compression, but do you have to remove cams, remove decompressors, refit cams, test, remove cams, etc, etc, what a pain. The manual says not but one of your posts indicates you need to. Confused.

Cheers
Mick

Ps. For sake of amusement I should tell you that as a kid I thought the best way to set valve clearances was 1 thou IN, 2 thou EX, set at finger burning red hot. Not quite as daft now!
 
#12 ·
1. You do have it right. There are 31 gear teeth on the chain side and 41 on the cam gear side. This creates 31 possible possible positions so there are lots of possibilities to choose from.

2. I would measure you exact machine. This would assure you you know what you have and what you are getting. I only see about 2 degrees variation between the motors I work on when they are all stone stock. Cam chain stretch, cylinder height, cam gear installation, and head thickness can all be factors. In general with a stock engine you won't be even close to worrying about piston to valve interference. These motor are very spacious and forgiving when stock. You can mill heads and cylinders to increase compression a fair bit and still have plenty of room before smashing bits into each other. It is always best to measure though. You can also measure piston to valve clearances by stacking adjustment shims. For example if you currently have a 3.00 shim installed and you are wanting a minimum of 1.0mm piston to valve clearance. Place a really thin shim on the valve like a 1.20mm, then put a 2.80 on top of it. The 1.20mm shim is thin enough that the second shim will still be captured and held in place by the recess in the valve spring retainer. Now the valve is at 1mm more lift for the whole cycle and the engine can be turned over slowly and checked for interference. Note that this can be used for a stock bike because the springs will not coil bind, but just mindful of this and also that if you are really close to hitting stuff, please take valve clearance into account.

3. Added compression is a really good thing for these motors. With added compression from milling the deck height down, milling the head down makes really nice mid range. I would recommend this to anybody. Setting the squish values down to 1mm or a bit less, and then milling the heads to set final compression ratio is a great way to go. With stock cams, and running pump gas you can still go more than 12:1, but that number will work fine.

4. With added compression and cam timing there is no doubt you will should see better power from idle to redline. With just the cams, you should also get a little more punch through the midrange w/o sacrificing power else where. If you thin you feel a drop off, it is an easy thing to set the engine back to stock timing and go from there. The decompressors can be disabled easily with cams in the bike. I ususally cut the very end tip off a zip tie and wedge it into the weight so that it is stuck in the out position to disable the decompressor pin from contacting the bucket. You can test the compression as per service manual, but that does not give a full reading. I like to know what the real number is in many cases. I like doing leak down test personally, but a simple compression test does tell you whole bunch about engine health.

-MS
 
#14 ·
Extreme newbie alert!!

Hi,

I've half-decided to proceed with this procedure, however I do have some questions to help me wrap my head around it!

1. There's tons of stuff on the internet about cam lobe centers and how to measure them, yes, but looking for measurement equipment all I can find is expensive stuff: e.g. Webcamshaft's Complete Cam Degreeing Kit
(Web Cam Inc. - Performance and Racing Camshafts / Web Cam Tools) at $275... aren't there any cheaper tools? What do I need to make the measurements and where do I get it from?

2. I doubt my SV1000S K3 has ever been opened to do a valve check, let alone have its camshafts and head bits upgraded... in other words I am 99.9999% sure its stock. Is it absolutely necessary to take the lobe center measurements or is it safe to just go ahead and advance the idler gears 1 tooth??

3. By "thrust adjuster lock ring" do you mean the "thrust adjuster lock nut" ??? (manual page 3-9)

4. Regarding the messing about the engine's thrust adjusters: are we essentially moving the engine out of place temporarily to facilitate the idler gear shaft removal process??

5. Final question regarding the idler gear shaft removal: doesn't the removal of the cam chain tensioners provide enough slack to the cam chain to lift it enough to advance the idler gear one tooth? Isn't the shaft what's holding the idle gear in place? If so, how do we prevent the idler gear from falling inside the crankcase after we remove its shaft??

Thanks so much!!

Andreas
 
#15 ·
Hopefully the information below helps out

1. You need a degree wheel and a dial indicator, and a way to mount it to the engine. A 10mm TDC stop is also required but can be purchased cheap as individual pieces. Degree wheels can be had from auto stores easily and pretty cheap. Summit Perfomance has them for less than $30. Then I use a bit of welding rod to make a pointer to bolt up. The dial indicator needs to have a small enough tip to fit into the tight regions required to get it onto the valve bucket. I mount the dial indicator by bolting it to one of the cam cap mounting holes, a long bolt and couple of stand offs. Some people use magnetic bases and such, I like to bolt it right to the motor. See attached images

2. This is up to you. I would never make a change like you are saying without measuring. What if your bike measures different? You could be making it worse. What if the gears were off already and not assembled correctly at some point?

3. Yes

4. Kind of. You don't really move the motor. You just do it to flex the frame a tiny bit to allow the removal of the shaft. Absolute worse case senario is that you loosen all the engine mounting bolts so they are all slack, and then apply pressure with the thrust adjuster to get the engine to wiggle a bit too. I have always been able to do it with just the one adjuster alone though.

5. The tensioner removal will not be enough to move gear on chain. The gear will not fall into the engine. The casting of the head will keep it near by.

-MS
 

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#17 ·
Thank you for replying to my post. Due to ridiculous shipping fees from the US to Greece, I had to locate all said items (plus various others such as a micrometer, special socket for the thrust adjuster, etc.) in the EU market which took me a couple of days. Everything's ordered and on its way now.

I'm still digesting the procedure, and new questions keep popping up in my head.

1. The finding true TDC procedure is pretty clear to me now. What still puzzles me is how to fix the Degree Wheel in a way that it allows moving the crankshaft without moving the wheel itself!! Is there some combination of socket/bolt that allows it? Any input/pics would be a great help!

2. The cam lobe center part of the procedure is still a bit fuzzy. It's still not clear to me which part of the camshaft/lobe/valve/whatever the dial indicator should touch :)doh:)

3. Still haven't figured out what/where the decompressors are on this engine and what I need to do to them (if anything) as part of this procedure. :blush::blush::blush::blush::blush:

4. Let's say that I've finished all measurements successfully and typed in the data in the worksheet... what's the sweet spot degree-wise that I'm looking for?


Thanks for all your help!
 
#19 ·
ok, here's 2 more:

5. If I've understood correctly, after doing the measurements, removing the camshafts and advancing/retarding the idler gear, I should reposition the camshafts with their positioning marks as level/parallel as possible to the head (as per manual instructions), right ??

6. What about the valve clearance measurement/adjustment? Should I do it before, after, or it doesn't matter ???
 
#21 ·
To affix the degree wheel, I stacked some washers under it then held it with the stock magneto rotor bolt. Leave it just snug until you find true TDC then smack it tight enough to spin the engine without moving. When you're playing with the timing, but SURE to use a tight fitting socket on the bolt and a breaker-bar (rather than a ratchet) because you will have to exert effort to open the valves as you turn the crank....but once they go over TDC they'll push the motor ahead with a surprising amount of force if you're not ready to control it. You have to ease it down because you'll be checking at .050" (or some other distance when finding Lobe Center) and if you let it jump ahead it'll totally mess up your readings.

You need the dial indicator to be moving as the cam follower (bucket/tappet) moves and this takes a little ingenuity as there's little space and you'll need to fab up a bent yet thin rod to get to the edge of the follower without getting hit by the cam as it spins. CAN be done...you'll see.:) I got a set of dial indicator ends of differing lengths and shapes and found one that fit in OK...just be careful.

The 'decompressor' is only on one exhaust valve, so just put the dial indicator on the other one for a true reading of the centerline.

When you put the cams back in, you'll be trying to get them back in time (of course) but be mindful of which way you were trying to move them and take that into account with the relationship of the line to the head surface. If you move it...it'll no longer be exactly level...but that's what you want!:) It all makes a lot more sense once you've got things set up and are trying to do the job. You might make mistakes and go the wrong way at first, but you'll get the hang of it and by the end of the day you'll be in control. With adjustable gears, I worked on mine for an entire week of evenings after work and finished it up on the weekend. Yes...I AM slow.:( But I was trying to hit within .1 degree and found this difficult to accomplish...both making such tiny adjustments and then accurately varifying them with the degree wheel. You'll see...it's tricky! And again...you MUST maintain total control of the crankshaft rotation to do this so be sure to have a tight fitting socket and bar to fit the crank bolt.

Junkie is of course right...the valve clearances won't change just from cam R&R, but when you radically alter the cam lobe positions it's always good practice to check the piston/valve clearances just to be sure you're safe. My cam timings ended up being dictated more by what P/V clearances I was comfortable with than a degree setting that I was trying to hit. The farther you can advance the intake valve the better...but if you get too greedy you can shove the valves into the piston as it's rising to TDC...and that qualifies as BAD. A 'happy place' to be is something that the 'Old Timers' always talked about ....having the intake valve 'chase' the piston down the bore. When you get the timing just right, as the valve opens the clearance to the valve will not change as the piston is moving at the same speed until the valve is near full open. Watch for this when you're adjusting things...the engines run good when set up like this. And on mine...it came at 106 like Mr. Schmidt recommended so perhaps that's why the engines like this setting.:)

To check P/V clearance you need some way to lever the valve open and you can either fab up something on your own or buy the special tool that can reach in on the edge of the bucket and push the follower down until the valve touches the piston. You do this for the upper 30 degrees of rotation before and after TDC until you get a feel for how close you are. Without milling the top off the jug or the head surface you 'shouldn't' get into P/V clearance problems...but it's still good to check!! With TLR Wiseco pistons and .020" milled off the jugs, .005" off the heads mine was starting to get a little cozy so I was happy to do that extra little bit and check the P/V clearances. Peace of Mind.:) Another reminder...keep total control of the crankshaft!!!! I know..you said that already, but if you let it snap ahead on it's own....and you've moved the cams perhaps too far (you won't really know until you degree them afterall) then the possibility of piston striking valve is VERY real. And they won't tolerate much contact without bending....which is BAD. Be careful and it'll be a wonderful experience and the engine will RIP!! You just don't want to damage anything while doing it. Good luck!:)
 
#22 ·
I just re-read the write up (absolutely outstanding) and noticed at the bottom that this method does not improve the exhaust cam timing on the 05-07 engines:

"The 05 and up SV1000 engines have significantly different cam timing on the exhaust side than
the 03-04 bikes. I have often found this technique does not produce a set of lobe center values
that are improved from the stock numbers. In these cases I have pressed off the exhaust
camshaft gear sets and rotated the gear clockwise about one quarter of a tooth pitch and pressed
it back on. Remeasure the new lobe center values and enter the new values into the
spreadsheet and you should be able to find a set of more optimal lobe center values."
- MS

If this is the case, would the best option for K5-K7 engines be to just advance the intake cam instead of advancing everything and then backing the exhaust cam back off?
 
#23 ·
I just re-read the write up (absolutely outstanding) and noticed at the bottom that this method does not improve the exhaust cam timing on the 05-07 engines:



"The 05 and up SV1000 engines have significantly different cam timing on the exhaust side than

the 03-04 bikes. I have often found this technique does not produce a set of lobe center values

that are improved from the stock numbers. In these cases I have pressed off the exhaust

camshaft gear sets and rotated the gear clockwise about one quarter of a tooth pitch and pressed

it back on. Remeasure the new lobe center values and enter the new values into the

spreadsheet and you should be able to find a set of more optimal lobe center values."

- MS



If this is the case, would the best option for K5-K7 engines be to just advance the intake cam instead of advancing everything and then backing the exhaust cam back off?

It is a bit tough to say. Engine to engine can vary some so direct measurement is crucial. The important cam in my opinion is the intake for sure. The problem is that both cams phase together since they drive off the same gear. If your starting LSA is about 110, the resulting LSAs should be the same but with different lobe canters. For example if centers are 110/110, you can get a 106 intake, but resulting exhaust would be 114.

-ms
 
#24 ·
Hmmm.... Just trying to think things through before commencing valvetrain work next month but I haven't pulled the valve covers yet to measure since we keep getting good riding weather. Obviously if the specs are closer to ideal I won’t even bother and just adjust the valves if needed.

I found both cam specs from your posts in a 2010 thread:
http://www.sv-portal.com/forums/5-t...weaking-tuning-tricking/39936-intake-cam-used-exhaust-cam-anyone-buehler-2.html

From this I can see that using the same method on a K5+ gives you: Intake 104.09, Exhaust 116.785. Pretty close on the intake but way off for the exhaust. Since any of the combinations will change exhaust timing by the same amount as the intake (e.g. ideal 106 Intake = 114.875 Exhaust) , this method will always move the exhaust further off target.

From my very elementary understanding, wouldn’t changing either cam independently of the other change LSA? So when you use this method on a K5+ engine and then adjust the exhaust cam afterward, wouldn’t that then change the LSA? I guess this is where I’m wondering if pulling the intake cam gear and advancing it a few degrees might be simpler than advancing both cams together via idler and then pulling the gear off of the exhaust to retard it since you need to pull a cam gear anyway and LSA will change.

K3-K4 engines have an LSA of 107.375*
K5-K7 engines have an LSA of 110.438*

Using the method described for the K5+ engines, the separate ÂĽ tooth adjustment of the exhaust cams should retard timing by around 4.4* bringing the exhaust cam to ~ 112.3* (near stock 111.125) and change LSA to 108.195.

For my K5, advancing only the intake cam by remounting the gear by 4.4* would yield: 105.35 Intake, 111.125 Exhaust (stock), and an LSA of 108.238. I guess the question then would be of what LSA range would be acceptable: does the K5 need to be right at 110.438* or would anywhere in 107 – 110* suffice.
 
#25 ·
I would strive to get an LSA of 107-108. Then set the gear to get the intake to 106-108. In my opinion 110 is too big. Also think about upping the compression. More compression is also what these things really need. The combo of more compression and the better lobe centers really start to wake these bikes up.
-ms
 
#26 ·
OK, big day-week coming up!! I finally got all tools/parts to get crackin'

Having removed cowling, tank and radiator, the next major obstacle is the main wiring harness on the left side of the rear cylinder. I'll try disconnecting enough connectors to allow me moving it out of the way. Really excited about what's to follow!!!

Two questions at this point:

1. I do need to measure true TDC on both cylinders, right ??? Or not ??

2. What's that I read about valve lash and the need to remove it??? Is this applicable to the SV's engine? If so how is it achieved?

Thanks!!
 
#27 ·
OK, big day-week coming up!! I finally got all tools/parts to get crackin'



Having removed cowling, tank and radiator, the next major obstacle is the main wiring harness on the left side of the rear cylinder. I'll try disconnecting enough connectors to allow me moving it out of the way. Really excited about what's to follow!!!



Two questions at this point:



1. I do need to measure true TDC on both cylinders, right ??? Or not ??



2. What's that I read about valve lash and the need to remove it??? Is this applicable to the SV's engine? If so how is it achieved?



Thanks!!

1. Yes, true TDC is absolutely needed or measurements won't be accurate.

2. It is applicable but you don't really need to worry about it unless you are trying to accurately measure duration. To just set the centers I don't worry about it. The lift point for measurement is a bit arbitrary on symmetric cams as long as you use the same values for open an close. Here is what I do. Pick if you want to measure open/close at 0.040" or 0.050" lift. Measure valve clearance. Now subtract the clearance out of the 0.040" or 0.050" and use that as the opening closing figure.

For example if I want to use 0.040" lift for measurement, and my valve clearance is 0.006", then use 0.034" as a measurement point. This is kind of like setting the to 0 clearance.

-ms
 
#28 ·
Thanks for that!! Got the head covers and rotor cover off, measured valve clearances, I'm now ready to do the lobe center measurement.

I realize the dial indicator I've bought won't do as is, I need to buy or fabricate some sort of tip for it to get to the tappet.


I need another clarification at this point: When I read "lift" I am thinking when the lobe starts to compress the bucket (tappet), right? So in essence lift means depression, right? So when looking at the dial gauge, lift would translate to negative values, right (i.e. the dial gauge tip will extend, riiiight???) ????

Thanks!!
 
#29 ·
Thanks for that!! Got the head covers and rotor cover off, measured valve clearances, I'm now ready to do the lobe center measurement.



I realize the dial indicator I've bought won't do as is, I need to buy or fabricate some sort of tip for it to get to the tappet.





I need another clarification at this point: When I read "lift" I am thinking when the lobe starts to compress the bucket (tappet), right? So in essence lift means depression, right? So when looking at the dial gauge, lift would translate to negative values, right (i.e. the dial gauge tip will extend, riiiight???) ????



Thanks!!

I use the term lift to mean valve lift. So yes, this is the translation of the bucket farther into the head.

The way I use my dial gauge is I set it to say 0.034" as in the example I used above. Then, when the indicator hits 0.000" on the opening this is my point of measurement.

-ms
 
#30 ·
Well that was a hair-raising, gut-wrenching experience!! I'm done measuring the lobe centers on the rear cylinder.... and managed to drop a 2 mm pin from the dial gauge inside the cylinder head in the process. 2 hours (which seemed like 2 years) later I fished it out with a magnet.

Here are the measurements for rear cylinder (I double-, triple-, and quadruple-checked: results are repeatable)

Intake opens at 3.5 degrees BTDC, closes at 50 degrees ABDC
Exhaust opens at 40 degrees BBDC, closes at 12 degrees ATDC


This gives me a 113,25 degree lobe center for the intake and a 104 for the exhaust.

To my untrained, stressed-out eye, this seems like a long stretch from your base values!! Is it? Or do the results seem plausible?

Advancing 1 tooth would give me the best results, it seems, taking me to 107,59 and 109.66 respectively...

Tomorrow I'm planning to advance the rear idler gear before moving on to measuring the front cylinder... unless for any reason you think I shouldn't (?!?)
 
#31 ·
Well that was a hair-raising, gut-wrenching experience!! I'm done measuring the lobe centers on the rear cylinder.... and managed to drop a 2 mm pin from the dial gauge inside the cylinder head in the process. 2 hours (which seemed like 2 years) later I fished it out with a magnet.



Here are the measurements for rear cylinder (I double-, triple-, and quadruple-checked: results are repeatable)



Intake opens at 3.5 degrees BTDC, closes at 50 degrees ABDC

Exhaust opens at 40 degrees BBDC, closes at 12 degrees ATDC





This gives me a 113,25 degree lobe center for the intake and a 104 for the exhaust.



To my untrained, stressed-out eye, this seems like a long stretch from your base values!! Is it? Or do the results seem plausible?



Advancing 1 tooth would give me the best results, it seems, taking me to 107,59 and 109.66 respectively...



Tomorrow I'm planning to advance the rear idler gear before moving on to measuring the front cylinder... unless for any reason you think I shouldn't (?!?)

What year is your bike?
I will check a couple things on my end and see what I come up with.
-ms
 
#33 ·
Your data is pretty much exactly what I have for 03/04 bikes.

There are a couple of combinations, but the one tooth tooth result looks good. I would always put emphasis on the intake cam over the exhaust.

-MS
 
#34 ·
Pheeeew, that's a huge load off my mind!!! I'll do the idler advance on the rear cylinder before I start measuring the front... the tensioner is a real bitch to get to. I also just read on the manual that rear tensioner needs a new spring, washer and bolt every time you reinstall it. I already got them new gaskets, might as well go by the book and try to find a new spring at least!

Do you think another idler setting would be better ??
 
#35 ·
I think my choice would be to retard the gear 2 teeth and hit the 107/110 combo

To be honest in most cases I rarely replace the spring on the rear or the crush washer seal.

-MS
 
#36 ·
Well, after lots and lots of drama (managed to un-hook the cam chain from the lower idle gear, amongst others), after advancing the front idler gear 1 tooth and retarding the back 2 teeth, after measuring, re-measuring and triple-checking, here are the results:

Front Cylinder:

Intake lobe center: 106.25
Exhaust lobe center: 108.9


Back Cylinder:

Intake lobe center: 105.5
Exhaust lobe center: 111.25



So, front cylinder is right on the money!!!

The back one, not so much. I was expecting 107.02 for the intake and 110.23 for the exhaust... Probably botched up the measurements?? I don't think it's me unhooking the cam chain, I didn't move the rotor and I had painted both the cam chain and the idler gear so I knew exactly how to restore them to their original position. What do you think?? Should I stick with what I have now, or go for 3 teeth advance which should give me 106.07 for the intake and 110.68 for the exhaust??
 
#37 ·
One check of your measurements is to do the following
LSA of the original measurements is 108.625 degrees
LSA of the current measurements is 108.375 degrees
This tells measurements are consistent so measurements are likely correct.



It does seem strange. I went through a few things there is a possible senario. Is there any chance that the rear gear was installed incorrectly? I say this because I have seen people install them incorrectly many times. I have seen people install the front gear, then rotate motor to install the rear gear. This is for the cams not the gears. Front and rear gears go in at the same crank position.

If I take your current numbers, install the gear the gear 180 out and then retard two teeth I get your original values.

-MS
 
#39 ·
Yes, now that you mention it this could well be what I did. So what happens now? Do we like the 105.5 / 111.25 degree outcome, or should I go with the 3 teeth advance from the current position which will produce 106.07 / 110.68 ????





Thanks so much for guiding me through this!!!

To be honest, I would run it as is.
-ms
 
#40 ·
Well, I went ahead and reset the idler gear in its correct initial position, then advanced it one tooth.

Result!!

rear cylinder intake: 106
rear cylinder exhaust: 110.75

front cylinder intake: 106.25
front cylinder exhaust: 108.75

I'm going to do a full write-up of the experience / procedure with pictures as soon as I've put the bike together.
 
#42 ·
You figuring out how exactly I screwed up shows you're a top mechanic and a fookin' genius, that's what it shows!!! Thanks for selflessly putting up with my newbie-greenhorn-tenderfoot stupid questions. Now that I've completed the procedure it all seems like a piece of cake, but I've had some serious panic attack moments.

Tomorrow I'll finish putting 'er back together, balance the throttle bodies and finally TPS adjustment. Hopefully take it for a spin Sunday or Monday at the latest. I'll report back after my first impression. Fingers crossed!!




:cheers::cheers::cheers:
 
#43 ·
Well, I took it for a ride and OMG !!!!!! It pulls like a train!!! 2nd gear power-wheelies!! Considerable difference in the 4000 - 8000 rpm range. Elsewhere there are dips in power but it is definitely linked to fueling: my current PCV maps are essentially useless after the mod. I downloaded map 20-041-515 from Powercommander Products, labeled as "2005-2007 SV 1000 European model, Carbon Can Company slip-on exhaust, stock or aftermarket filter, intake snorkel removed from airbox", and it's a significant improvement... but I am sure there is untapped potential here!

Looks like next buy will be an AutoTune :-D

Again, Mr. Schmidt, what an excellent mod!!!

Thanks a million!!!

Now, do you happen to have any PC maps for this mod lying around???

:cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers: