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It actually mentions this in the instalation manual ! It`s also a way of knowing the tre is working.
 
STV sensor adjustment

I had a go at adjusting mine last weekend, and found that before adjusting anything, they were pretty much the same as others have reported. I had started experiencing the surge at around 3000rpm, but also realized that I should have changed the plugs at 12000km (was at 20000km at the time :blush: ). This mostly cured the problem, although it didn’t seem to be quite as smooth as I remembered. Fuel consumption was also higher than it was previously.

Using only the actuator to move the butterflies through their range, they measured:
Closed: 0.83
Open: 4.40
Range: 3.57
Avg: 2.62

I adjusted them as follows:
Closed: 0.66
Open: 4.23
Range: 3.57
Avg: 2.45

As the standard median value is 2.48kΩ, I was happy with this (I could not get it any closer). By taking up the slack, the range increased to 0.52 – 4.41, but the second valve cannot normally move over this range without finger pressure.

The result was definitely noticeable, being smoother from ~2500rpm upwards, and my fuel consumption has dropped to what it was previously. As I use my bike as transport, smooth throttle response at low revs is important, particularly in the wet.

Many thanks to TLRMan, and others who contributed, for the guidance. Next is the TRE mod.

Cheers,
Tony.
 
STV adjustment re-visited

I had another look at the STV’s recently, just to satisfy my naturally inquisitive nature (read anal-retentive), and found that the butterflies where not quite vertical (relative to each one's throttle body) at the full open position. The Suzuki manual says nothing about this, the setup procedure being performed at the closed position. I also noticed that the two butterflies appeared to be slightly out of sync.

The manual gives the sync procedure with them both horizontal, which by the way, is not at the limit of the actuator’s range of travel. At the limit of travel, the valves are actually past closed, and the range of movement provided by the actuator is greater than 90º (?), although they probably never close past horizontal by themselves (not as I have observed, anyway).

I first synced them at the horizontal position, as described in the manual, and then checked them at fully open, where they were not fully vertical. The adjustment of the valves relative to the motor is controlled by a screw on the connection between the actuator and the front valve, although the manual says nothing about this either (apart from stating that you shouldn’t dissemble it unless it cannot be avoided :p ). I then adjusted this screw at the closed position, opened the valves fully to check, closed and adjusted, opened to check …, until finally they were fully vertical at this limit of the actuator’s travel.

I then re-adjusted the STV sensor as described in my post above, averaging the fully open and fully closed values to obtain the mid-point of the range specified. One thing that did cause some worry was the amount of play in the linkage system between the two valves, but I chose to ignore this once I observed them in operation. When the engine is cold, the valves will move to the fully open position when the ignition is turned on, and both valves were now fully vertical. As the engine warms up, they slowly move towards a closed position, although even when hot, they were never quite closed. If the ignition is turned on when the engine is warm, they move from a partially open position to fully open, and back to the original position (as described in the manual).

I did not notice any difference when riding the bike after this adjustment, but at least I know that when WFO, the STV’s are also wide open (there are definitely drawbacks to being a Virgo :) ).

Hope this provides some useful info to others who may have the desire to fiddle.
 
Finally got around to checking all the adjustments and I just wanted to let everyone know a easy way to move the STV's without removing the airbox.

I simply used a long 1/4" extension with a 8mm universal socket to reach the servo shaft. It makes a sharp angle on the universal but it will still turn. Also- I turned it by hand. I don't recommend using a ratchet or the likes.
 

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STV's continued.....

First step is to turn the shaft, and close the STV's. We then use the meter, and check the resistance across the yellow and black wires. It should be in the range of .58 Kohms. We found that Daves was out of spec.
Next, is to turn the shaft on the STV servo the opposite direction and fully open the STV's. Carry out the same metering, between the 2 wires. At this point we found that the STV open position relative to the STV sensor was out of tolerance and should be in the range of 4.38 Kohms.
We then unscrewed the set screws on the STV sensor, just loose enough to allow some resistance when turning the sensor....(safety torx as usual), you must purchase a set!
I was checking my STV's this past weekend. The readings I got were:
OPEN = 0.67 Kohms
CLOSED = 4.24 Kohms

I was slightly confused by the instructions on whether this is within spec. The instructions say "in the range of 0.58Kohms clsoed and 4.38Kohms opened". I'm unclear what the allowed range is because those are single point values without a +/- so where is the range ? Are my STV's in the allowed adjustment range ?

I'm probably misunderstanding something so thanks for the help and great post!
 
I just checked mine.
1st .77 closed 4.01 open

If I set the closed to .6 then the open is at 3.86:wallbash: I cant get even close to the .58/4.38 spec. So how should I set them?
 
I just checked mine.
1st .77 closed 4.01 open

If I set the closed to .6 then the open is at 3.86:wallbash: I cant get even close to the .58/4.38 spec. So how should I set them?
Some people on the forum have gone as far as to drill larger holes to allow more movement before setting the STV sensor.

Before I do something that drastic I would want to better understand what the requirement for adjustment is. Is the goal to simply get as close to the 0.58/4.38 as possible. Some posts use the term "within tolerances" but a tolerance is usually a +/- range.

Anyone? Clarification please? Thanks in advance.
 
I found you need to push on the plates some to get the full range.
I set mine to get the closest to the full open number then check the close it will be off until you gently press down on the plates it was then spot on for me
 
From my experience last night after reading the service manual.... but what I did was first sync the plates by first setting the forward STV flat in the horn then setting the rear one to matching the forward one.... after that unplug the STV actuator and push probes in on the connect STV sensor and turn the key on...... then reading DC volts..... manually rotate the STV actuator to full open and then set the STV sensor to output 4.38volts-DC which is the spec.........I checked resistance for the heck of it after and it was about 4.11 ohms..... all they care about though is that the STV sensor outputs 4.38v DC at WOT.
 
Lets see here, in order :

1) Synched STV's ,which was a compromise, because they can't be perfectly lined up at full AND closed throttle, so I split the difference. Was just a hair different anyway. I used an 11/32nds drill , the shank end of it, as my gauge. The butterflies are exactly the same at that partial setting, and a touch off at both extremes.

2) Set STV sensor. Mine was set on the high side from the factory. I wanna say about 4.7-4.8k ohms at WOT and about .8-.9k ohms when closed. I set them so they were 4.38k ohms at WOT and that left me at about .65k ohms at closed.

3) Synched the main TB's. I made the "Clear tubing vacuum differential gauge" that I've read so much about. No ATF on hand so I used some red 15W fork oil I had left over from a previous project. The levels were about a foot apart when I started , and I narrowed them down to about 3/8" . I synched at 3500rpm .

Made sure I left some "easy access" rubber lines for future synch jobs . Thanks to whoever came up with THAT idea ! Those vacuum ports are a pain to get at !

The levels are all over the place when you change RPM. The cylinders on these engines sure aren't matched for flow very well.

I had previously set the TPS to about 1500 rpm , although I need to check it again after synching everything.


4) Removed the PAIR valve and associated hoses. Covered all openings with rubber vacuum line plugs. I need to solder a resistor to the solenoid lead ( I cut it off) , as my FI light came on almost instantly.

5) Installed new spark plugs.



Took her for a test spin and was pretty happy with the results . Ran smoother , pulled more evenly across the rpm band, no more popping on decel , much more fluid throttle response at partial/small throttle settings. She even seemed as though she pulled a lil harder than normal , spinning up through the RPM a bit quicker than before.

The smoothness is deceptive. At first I thought she wasn't running as hard , but after a bit more riding I realised what was going on.

I was tempted to remove the airbox lid when I did all of these adjustments , but I figured I should wait and do a baseline run first. No need to confuse the results !


Thanks for all the write ups/how to's you guys have done. While most of this stuff is pretty straightforward if you have a manual, all the little tips and shortcuts are appreciated !



...................................Blake
 
These posts are all well and good... service manual goes into doing all these system adjustments for the bikes...You failed to mention that you checked your throttle plate
measurements to make sure they were in sync with each other...this is to be done before you mess with the sensor, which measures full open to full close...
 
...You failed to mention that you checked your throttle plate
measurements to make sure they were in sync with each other...this is to be done before you mess with the sensor, which measures full open to full close...
I did ?



"3) Synched the main TB's. I made the "Clear tubing vacuum differential gauge" that I've read so much about. No ATF on hand so I used some red 15W fork oil I had left over from a previous project. The levels were about a foot apart when I started , and I narrowed them down to about 3/8" . I synched at 3500rpm . "
 
Tried to adjust STVs today and I got same problem as some one posted earlier:

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Originally Posted by fuelie View Post
I just checked mine.
1st .77 closed 4.01 open

If I set the closed to .6 then the open is at 3.86 I cant get even close to the .58/4.38 spec. So how should I set them?
Some people on the forum have gone as far as to drill larger holes to allow more movement before setting the STV sensor.

Before I do something that drastic I would want to better understand what the requirement for adjustment is. Is the goal to simply get as close to the 0.58/4.38 as possible. Some posts use the term "within tolerances" but a tolerance is usually a +/- range.

Anyone? Clarification please? Thanks in advance.
Help guys :)
 
The manual says to set it for max open. This resistance measurement method is something that one of the memebers came up with , and I am not sure where they came up with it.

I would suggest that if your sensor won't line up with the resistance measurements that you set it to 4.38 volts when it is fully open (as per the manual).


...........................Blake
 
The manual says to set it for max open. This resistance measurement method is something that one of the memebers came up with , and I am not sure where they came up with it.

I would suggest that if your sensor won't line up with the resistance measurements that you set it to 4.38 volts when it is fully open (as per the manual).


...........................Blake
5 volts...5k pot...you can safely use 4.38k and .58k (ie don't worry bout voltage just use the ohms method).
edit: in other words its a voltage divider.
 
a buddy of mine just swiss cheesed his butterfly plates on the STV's. he said it bumped throttle response and midrange for him. any thoughts on the subject of drilling holes in the plates??
 
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