[Longhair]

OK Luis. First off, I'm not here in your thread to bash. I'm only injecting my opinion on facts that I'm aware of.

If I were to be upgrading to lighter wheels, then I might check into wider wheels, because there might be a greater possibility of offsetting the additional unsprung carcass weight of a bigger tire. But on an old GSXR wheel, or a standard Busa wheel, it would hardly be an upgrade.....just something to satisfy someone's small penis complex.

And as far as contact patch goes, there is such a thing as "too much". Unlike GP racers, the general public does not constantly monitor tire pressure as a means of governing heat in their tires. The average rider also does not have sponsors paying for their tires, and consequently tend to buy tires that last longer (read harder compound) than even a DOT race tire. Combine that with spreading out the weight from which traction is partially derived from, over too large an area, and you start to lose traction exponetially. Ask any drag racer about too much tire, and what it does to traction.

As I said, If I were to be spending the money on a set of Marchenesi's or BST carbons, then I'd also be investigating more of the important figures and calculating the benefit of a wider tire. But otherwise, it's additional unsprung weight of the tire and wheel, and thus NOT a performance upgrade at all. Merely additional cost for handling loss.


But it looks so sic dude! :nutkick:

 

[sv650r]

OK Luis. First off, I'm not here in your thread to bash. I'm only injecting my opinion on facts that I'm aware of.

No offense taken... If that is all your knowledge on it, it makes sense to be skeptical... A lot of people fear what they do not understand...

If I were to be upgrading to lighter wheels, then I might check into wider wheels, because there might be a greater possibility of offsetting the additional unsprung carcass weight of a bigger tire. But on an old GSXR wheel, or a standard Busa wheel, it would hardly be an upgrade.....just something to satisfy someone's small penis complex.

The newer GSXR Enkei Vacuum Cast wheels are slightly lighter that the old Suzuki Gravity feed cast wheels, like the ones on the 03-07 SV1000... You will be able to offset the weight of a larger GSXR rear wheel + larger 190/55 rear tire without adding extra weight...

(FYI: The newer GSXR 600 Enkei 5.50 inch wheels are 2 lbs lighter than the SV650 4.50 inch rear wheels...)

And as far as contact patch goes, there is such a thing as "too much". Unlike GP racers, the general public does not constantly monitor tire pressure as a means of governing heat in their tires. The average rider also does not have sponsors paying for their tires, and consequently tend to buy tires that last longer (read harder compound) than even a DOT race tire. Combine that with spreading out the weight from which traction is partially derived from, over too large an area, and you start to lose traction exponetially. Ask any drag racer about too much tire, and what it does to traction.

TOO MUCH TIRE?? I am not talking about a 240 or 300 series rear tire!!!

I know the SV1000 community is not a sport riding community as the SV650 community... We all know the SV1000 is not competitive against other super sport big twins like the Ducati 1098, or the KTM RC8, or the Honda RC51...

But there are guys who bring their SV1000 to track days all the time... As wheel as SV1000 riders that are pretty fast canyon chasers... They guy who ask me about building this kit is a Petty good and fast rider...

If you are forced to only commute to work in the city, and not have spirited rides, or any fun... I can see how you may think of this as a waste of resources...

As I said, If I were to be spending the money on a set of Marchenesi's or BST carbons, then I'd also be investigating more of the important figures and calculating the benefit of a wider tire. But otherwise, it's additional unsprung weight of the tire and wheel, and thus NOT a performance upgrade at all. Merely additional cost for handling loss.

If it was no performance up grade... How are 600cc racers winning racers on bigger 190 and 200 series rear tires??? Yes those are bigger than those specified by the manufacturer!!!

...If you have money for a Set of BST wheels, you would be putting them on your MV Agusta F4 not on a SV1000. Hehehe...

But it looks so sic dude! :nutkick:

Right? Luis

 

[Longhair]

Since you're obviously the smartest person to ever throw a leg over an SV (or any bike for that matter), and have all the answers, there is little point in furthering this discussion.

 

[RedDog]

Luis, you're pushing too hard.

I like those new, blue GSXR wheels and if I needed or wanted wheels I would get your kit, that blue would look fantastic on my 03. And the wider tires always look great.

I once thought about a set of race wheels, Marvic, Marchesini, PM, etc. But since I could grind my pegs off on a set of 140 K591 tires and I could never find the checkered flag on track days or street riding I felt it would be a waste of money on something that looked different but no better or sometimes much worse than the stock wheel. Your Marchesini's are a great wheel for your racing purposes but I wouldn't give you an even trade for my stock wheels as I find them bland looking. Different but not my taste lookswise.

Justifying the existence of your kit is not needed and arguing points is also not needed. Just boost the qualities that your kit allows and customers will come. Like I said, if I were in the market I would get a set of those great blue GSXR wheels just because I like the way they look. Various people will have different reasons to get them. As it is you sound ike a Jehovas Witness at the door trying to convince people that their beliefs are wrong and your path is the only way.

Relax, take a breath, you'll come off a lot better.

 

[03svpista]

I agree with RD, there is a place for your kit in the SV1000 world. And if I had the financial means to do so, my 03 would be rolling on a set of those GSXR wheels next week. As it sits now I have the stock silver wheels and planned on having them powder coated black next winter.
Your kit gives me the option of changing over to a readily available, inexpensive wheel and selling my "as new" condition wheels to help recover the cost.
And for me it is about the bling. I cannot ride anywhere near as well as most of my fellow SV'rs. And though it intrigues me, I don't know if I'll actually go anywhere near a track, scrape my pegs, or hang off and drag my knees cornering. In reality I do not have a need for bigger wheels. But I bought the SV partially for the way it looks, sounds, and makes me feel while riding it.
Modifying it to improve any one of those is a plus in my book.

 

[jonjames]

As I sit here in the garden with a very large vodka and coke I am considering this idea somewhat in a mellow frame of mind. A guy has gone to the trouble of making a kit to allow fitment of bigger wheels. He is offering it at a reasonable price for those who want to do it.
There is an engineering solution to handling and the geometry of wheels. That is known.
I might consider this, but not because I ever ran out of grip on the road. No, I just like fat rubber.

 

[VT_Tim]

If you think the SV1000 is less of a sportbike than the SV650, then you clearly don't know the SV1000 and you really don't know the mentality of SV1000 riders in general.

If you think the way to convince people to buy your kit is to come onto our board and insult our bikes and us in general, then you've got an interesting way of conducting your business.

And telling Longhair he doesn't know what he's talking about makes you look less credible in the eyes of most people on this board, not better.

 

[hkyglie]

If you think the SV1000 is less of a sportbike than the SV650, then you clearly don't know the SV1000 and you really don't know the mentality of SV1000 riders in general.

If you think the way to convince people to buy your kit is to come onto our board and insult our bikes and us in general, then you've got an interesting way of conducting your business.

And telling Longhair he doesn't know what he's talking about makes you look less credible in the eyes of most people on this board, not better.

+1.....:fight:

 

[sv650r]

Since you're obviously the smartest person to ever throw a leg over an SV (or any bike for that matter), and have all the answers, there is little point in furthering this discussion.

First of all, I am not making claims I am smarter than anyone else... I just did my homework when I made the GSXR rear wheel kits for the SV650... Racers that seek Performance are buying them... Gregg Spears from Spears Racing is selling my GSXR rear wheel kits for his SV650 customers... There seems to be an advantage to going wider and bigger...

Just because Suzuki mounted a 17 x 5.50 rear wheel on the SV1000 does not mean it is the optimal set up for the SV1000... In fact changes in tire technology have made it possible to take advantage of going larger...

When someone says a bigger tire slows down turn in, It's something that was true in the past... That is no longer the case!!! AMA and WSBK have proben this fact...

Another example Dunlop does NOT make Race Slicks in 180/55... If you want Dunlop Slicks you only have the option of a 190/55R17... Do you think they are setting out racers to lose races on their tires?

As far as weights... I do not have weights on the SV1000 wheel... But I can show you the weight difference on the GSXR600 Enkei 5.50 inch rear wheel to the SV650 Suzuki cast 4.5 inch rear wheel...

17 lbs 12.5 oz

19 lbs 9 oz

So, maybe you are not saving weight... But you will not be adding any weight...

Added performance no weight increase....

If you state that there is no added performance... Show me how?

I understand that if you mount a 300 series rear tire is NOT going to be a performance upgrade... THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!

Luis

 

[sv650r]

Luis, you're pushing too hard.

I like those new, blue GSXR wheels and if I needed or wanted wheels I would get your kit, that blue would look fantastic on my 03. And the wider tires always look great.

I once thought about a set of race wheels, Marvic, Marchesini, PM, etc. But since I could grind my pegs off on a set of 140 K591 tires and I could never find the checkered flag on track days or street riding I felt it would be a waste of money on something that looked different but no better or sometimes much worse than the stock wheel. Your Marchesini's are a great wheel for your racing purposes but I wouldn't give you an even trade for my stock wheels as I find them bland looking. Different but not my taste lookswise.

Justifying the existence of your kit is not needed and arguing points is also not needed. Just boost the qualities that your kit allows and customers will come. Like I said, if I were in the market I would get a set of those great blue GSXR wheels just because I like the way they look. Various people will have different reasons to get them. As it is you sound ike a Jehovas Witness at the door trying to convince people that their beliefs are wrong and your path is the only way.

Relax, take a breath, you'll come off a lot better.

Understandable...

I don't meant to come out as my kit is the best idea since the the birth of the SV1000...

But when someone is making statements that are not necessarily FACT, I do tend to move toward making my point!!!

Luis

 

[sv650r]

If you think the SV1000 is less of a sportbike than the SV650, then you clearly don't know the SV1000 and you really don't know the mentality of SV1000 riders in general.

If you think the way to convince people to buy your kit is to come onto our board and insult our bikes and us in general, then you've got an interesting way of conducting your business.

And telling Longhair he doesn't know what he's talking about makes you look less credible in the eyes of most people on this board, not better.

Yeah sometimes my Sarcasm does not come out quite like I mean it...

I believe the SV it's a great bike that has excellent potential...

To make my own SV650 handle better than a I4 600cc Super Sport, I had to make some changes and upgrades from factory OEM specifications... Swap suspension components, machine some parts, upgrade braking system, change geometry settings...

I will bring my knife to a gun fight, and have fun with it...

Having fun is what it is all about... I enjoy wrenching almost as much as I enjoy riding... Luis

 

[RedDog]

Having fun is what it is all about... I enjoy wrenching almost as much as I enjoy riding... Luis

Then grab your wrench, ride over to my place, and have some fun by installing those blue GSXR wheels onto my bike. I'll pay you in beer.

 

[LockzzMcThuggin]

HI! I was looking into this before. What exactly are you selling? Just the rear tire or what? I am really interested in getting gsxr rear tires on my bike because it is bigger and raises my back end but I have never been too sure of what I really need? Do I need.to get a whole new rear swingarm or what? Soneone please.help I am on a 2002 SV650S

 

[Over D]

That's all it is. Directed toward those to whom bling is king.

Excuse me, has anyone tested the kit and reported back yet.......

Oh, well then allow me!


I LOVE MY NEW FAT ASS REAR TIRE!!

Turn in is JUST as sharp, if not better.

Looks BAD ASS.

How dose it feel? In a word: Planted.

I have nothing bad too say; the SV has never handled better.

Running 190/55-17 Michelin Power Race M/S

 

[sv650r]

HI! I was looking into this before. What exactly are you selling? Just the rear tire or what? I am really interested in getting gsxr rear tires on my bike because it is bigger and raises my back end but I have never been too sure of what I really need? Do I need.to get a whole new rear swingarm or what? Soneone please.help I am on a 2002 SV650S

Contact me at SV650R@yahoo.com

All you need is a 2006+ GSXR600 or GSXR750 rear wheel, a front sprocket and my SV650 - GSXR rear wheel kit...

Regards, Luis

 

[sv650r]

Excuse me, has anyone tested the kit and reported back yet.......

Oh, well then allow me!


I LOVE MY NEW FAT ASS REAR TIRE!!

Turn in is JUST as sharp, if not better.

Looks BAD ASS.

How dose it feel? In a word: Planted.

I have nothing bad too say; the SV has never handled better.

Running 190/55-17 Michelin Power Race M/S

OVER D,

Thanks for the Feedback!!!

Please Post a Picture or a few...

My local buddy and SV1000 test rider call it: VERY STABLE, ESPECIALLY THROUGH OUT THE CORNERS!!!

I guess PLANTED!!! sums it up pretty good too...

Luis

 

[Over D]

Please Post a Picture or a few...

Yesterday, at Infinion

Track tested, track approved!

 

[2VORNOT2V]

WoW!...I cant understand why some of you guys are giving this guy Luis a hard time...Some one comes out with a product that some people are just to happy to be able to purchase as a kit instead of having to figure it out and than run around to machine shops etc and you dumb asses bash him just because you don't think it's necessary okey:

Newer Gsxr 600/750 wheel (07 and up) is at least couple of lbs lighter. Combine that with 520 sproks and chain and lighter rear brake rotor and see how much weight difference that is, but most important off all, it's rotating mass which in the end is worth lot more then the actual weight itself. It's like gaining horsepower, AND not to mention the better/easier flick-ability do to less gyroscopic effect ...Also it's a lot cheaper than spending $2500 on a set of decent aftermarket wheels which are not that much lighter than newer oem wheels unless you go carbon for $4500.

I was going to do this last year but after looking at it decided it was too much work and put it on the back burner. Finding this post was a blessing and I just picked up a set of 07 gsxr wheels and sent Luis an email.

I dint know Luis and I haven't Evan talked to him yet...Luis you got lot of patience and thanks for providing the kit and sticking around, check your PM's.

 

[hkyglie]

WoW!...I cant understand why some of you guys are giving this guy Luis a hard time...Some one comes out with a product that some people are just to happy to be able to purchase as a kit instead of having to figure it out and than run around to machine shops etc and you dumb asses bash him just because you don't think it's necessary okey:

Newer Gsxr 600/750 wheel (07 and up) is at least couple of lbs lighter. Combine that with 520 sproks and chain and lighter rear brake rotor and see how much weight difference that is, but most important off all, it's rotating mass which in the end is worth lot more then the actual weight itself. It's like gaining horsepower, AND not to mention the better/easier flick-ability do to less gyroscopic effect ...Also it's a lot cheaper than spending $2500 on a set of decent aftermarket wheels which are not that much lighter than newer oem wheels unless you go carbon for $4500.

I was going to do this last year but after looking at it decided it was too much work and put it on the back burner. Finding this post was a blessing and I just picked up a set of 07 gsxr wheels and sent Luis an email.

I dint know Luis and I haven't Evan talked to him yet...Luis you got lot of patience and thanks for providing the kit and sticking around, check your PM's.

Any weight saving, especially in rotating mass is going to be taken up by the heavier tire you are going to be running. Near as I can see it is a wash weight wise. So it comes down to an increased contact patch & bling. Luis wants to get on here & sell his product, more power to him, personally I don't take exception to his product or his skills, but his attitiude......Rick (longhair)as well as many of us older members may be a bit cantankerous at times, but we haven't gotten as far as we have in motorcycles without knowing a little of what we speak....

 

[Longhair]

I just want to say, that I'm not telling anyone not to buy it. If you want it, go for it. Here in the USA you're still free to spend whatever of your money that the government doesn't want, on whatever you wish.

I'm only disputing a few certain unsubstantiated claims. The only evidense has been comparisons to 650 wheels, and a couple of pictures. For someone that claims to have done his homework, he really hasn't presented any.

Now I will say, that under the right circumstances I might buy his kit.....but his kit would only be a drop in the bucket on that whole upgrade.....and I would do my own homework.